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Would you endorse the temp removal of the child

Yes, being brough up seeing parents use smack is abusive in itself, and therefore, it is justified

33%

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Yes, but the worry would be what to do about other addicts, such as drinkers...

33%

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You would not remove the child for the observing the intake of smack, alone. Only if there was abuse.

33%

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Something else, but say what!

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Yahweh
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Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2023 8:02 pm Post subject:

seattlegal wrote:

Yahweh wrote:

Next topic

Human rights for Paedophile's, never mind the kids!

Ha! Classic tactic of one whose facts and logic have been proven faulty: change the subject and make shocking statements statements to draw attention away from the faulty facts and logic! Cool

Some things never change.

Do you know something, and this is the truth.

I was speaking to someone on here, and when they said to me "Steve, that is the 5th time you have asked SG a straight question, which she keeps avoiding", shall I tell you what my reply was...

I said, and I quote - "What she will eventually do is come on with some contrived story about how she has experience of those with opiate abuse, if not directly, then in some other way, and it will be made up".

As you say, some things never change, eh Stephanie.

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Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2023 8:15 pm Post subject:

Yahweh wrote:

seattlegal wrote:

Yahweh wrote:

Next topic

Human rights for Paedophile's, never mind the kids!

Ha! Classic tactic of one whose facts and logic have been proven faulty: change the subject and make shocking statements statements to draw attention away from the faulty facts and logic! Cool

Some things never change.

If you go back and review the posts, you will see that your "running count" of your repeating yourself was off--showing that you can't even count. Razz

Quote:

shall I tell you what my reply was...I said, and I quote - "What she will eventually do is come on with some contrived story about how she has experience of those with opiate abuse, if not directly, then in some other way, and it will be made up".

Gee, you just made that up in your imagination, didn't you? Has nothing to do with reality, does it?

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As you say, some things never change, eh sg.

Laughing

Really? The story is true. Do you like hanging out your family's dirty laundry for all to see? I was hoping that you might try to educate yourself on the matter, so I wouldn't have to do that. Still, I would urge you to educate yourself more fully on the matter of heroin addiction.

Oh, and for the second time, {first one being via a PM, second one being here on the forum board,} I would appreciate it if you would remove my name from your posts, and refrain from using it again.

Thank you.

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Do you have any defensible arguments or evidence to present, or would you rather just continue with the suppositions and personal attacks?
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Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2023 10:34 pm Post subject:

For as long as you continue to be condescending, why would or should I facilitate your requests. Besides, are you ashamed of your name? It is not the first time it has been used on here, and I am Steve, feel free to use that, Stephanie. _________________ https://groups.msn.com/Enlightenment-/_whatsnew.msnw

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Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2023 10:40 pm Post subject:

seattlegal wrote:

I was speaking to someone on here, and when they said to me "Steve, that is the 5th time you have asked SG a straight question, which she keeps avoiding",

If you go back and review the posts, you will see that your "running count" of your repeating yourself was off--showing that you can't even count. Razz

Nit picking, see. Fact is that you avoided it, because you knew that you have no experience of anyone with a smack habit. However, in your own way, you too are an addict.

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Gee, you just made that up in your imagination, didn't you? Has nothing to do with reality, does it?

Nope, it was was sent to me via PM. Please keep going though, you are a hoot![/quote]
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2023 1:53 pm Post subject:

Yahweh wrote:

For as long as you continue to be condescending, why would or should I facilitate your requests.

Actually you are the one engaging in personal attacks. Rolling Eyes

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Besides, are you ashamed of your name?

It is not the first time it has been used on here, and I am Steve, feel free to use that, sg

Laughing

You are using my name as a tool for a personal attack, and continue to do so even after being politely requested to not use my name.
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2023 2:16 pm Post subject:

Yahweh wrote:

seattlegal wrote:

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I was speaking to someone on here, and when they said to me "Steve, that is the 5th time you have asked SG a straight question, which she keeps avoiding",

If you go back and review the posts, you will see that your "running count" of your repeating yourself was off--showing that you can't even count. Razz

Nit picking, see. Fact is that you avoided it, because you knew that you have no experience of anyone with a smack habit. However, in your own way, you too are an addict.

Hey, you are the one who started the personal attacks and the question that you kept repeating was a set up for a personal attack. I'll nit pick it, especially since it demonstrates that you are the one who claims to know everything without producing anything other than authoritative proclaimations and sweeping generalizations without substanciating proof. Your lack of accuracy can be demonstrated in the fact that in one of your sweeping statements, you can't even accurately count. Razz

What does that say about the rest of your accuracy?

Fact: You have absolutely no idea about my experiences with addicts. Instead, you prefer to believe ideas that you make up in your own imagination.
Another fact: I do know about my experiences with addicts.
Another fact: You cannot take my experiences away from me.
Another fact: Your obvious lack of research is showing in that you have "announced" "definitions" about addicts that even a quick bit of research will prove to be false.
Another fact: If you examine the the above facts, it will prove that you have been writing out of ignorance.

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Gee, you just made that up in your imagination, didn't you? Has nothing to do with reality, does it?

Nope, it was was sent to me via PM. Please keep going though, you are a hoot!

I was referring to your reply to the PM. The following quote could prove helpful to you, if you would consider the implications:

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To treat your facts with imagination is one thing, to imagine your facts is quite another.
--John Bouroughs, Journal, Oct. 24, 1907

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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2023 4:13 pm Post subject:

Markandeya wrote:

Dr Fran Young

No.

Just another a lady who thinks she is above everyone else.

There is a lot if it about.

So, let us beleive SG (will not use her name!).

Let us asssume that she has had these 'experiences', and that they are 100% true.

So what?

There is one exception to every rule.

Btw, as I read this, a child of 5 in the UK has just been found malnourished and living in squalor.

His parents?

Addicts.
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 1:24 am Post subject:

Yahweh wrote:

Markandeya wrote:

Dr Fran Young

No.

Just another a lady who thinks she is above everyone else.

There is a lot if it about.

More personal attacks? Why not take them to the flame forum where they belong?

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So, let us beleive SG (will not use her name!).

Let us asssume that she has had these 'experiences', and that they are 100% true.

So what?

There is one exception to every rule.

Btw, as I read this, a child of 5 in the UK has just been found malnourished and living in squalor.

His parents?

Addicts.

Hey, if the child has been neglected and/or abused, by all lawful means, remove him to a safer environment. No argument about that.
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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 1:01 am Post subject:

seattlegal wrote:

Yahweh wrote:

Markandeya wrote:

Dr Fran Young

No.

Just another a lady who thinks she is above everyone else.

There is a lot if it about.

More personal attacks? Why not take them to the flame forum where they belong?

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Hey, if the child has been neglected and/or abused, by all lawful means, remove him to a safer environment. No argument about that.

????

By 'lawful means'.

What is the difference between neglecting a child through lawful means and unlawful means.

Neglect is immoral and unlawful, by definition.
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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 4:16 am Post subject:

Yahweh wrote:

seattlegal wrote:

Yahweh wrote:

Markandeya wrote:

Dr Fran Young

No.

Just another a lady who thinks she is above everyone else.

There is a lot if it about.

More personal attacks? Why not take them to the flame forum where they belong?

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Hey, if the child has been neglected and/or abused, by all lawful means, remove him to a safer environment. No argument about that.

????

By 'lawful means'.

What is the difference between neglecting a child through lawful means and unlawful means.

Neglect is immoral and unlawful, by definition.

{There must be a difference between how the English language is used between Seattle and Scotland.} Perhaps if I rearrange the order of the sentence clauses, you will understand: I wrote "remove the child to a safer environment" by all lawful means, if the child has been neglected or abused.
Once again, for the sake of clarity: I have no argument against removing a neglected or abused child to a safer environment, as long as removing the child from his family is accomplished by lawful means.
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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 6:32 am Post subject:

seattlegal wrote:

Once again, for the sake of clarity: I have no argument against removing a neglected or abused child to a safer environment,

I normally favor a law that forces relocation of a child to members of extended family ie they are obliged to look after a neglected or abused child. It also puts better stress on family ties and ext family support. Hardly there are too many cases of people without ef.

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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 5:57 pm Post subject:

Candrodaya wrote:

seattlegal wrote:

Once again, for the sake of clarity: I have no argument against removing a neglected or abused child to a safer environment,

Good point. I haven't known many hardcore junkies, but the ones i have known with children, the extended family did provide safety and nurturing for the children. Should those kids be removed by the state because of their parents problems?

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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 6:11 pm Post subject:

Candrodaya wrote:

seattlegal wrote:

Once again, for the sake of clarity: I have no argument against removing a neglected or abused child to a safer environment,

...And if the State removes children from their families, does this not also serve to break up extended families?
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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 9:30 pm Post subject:

seattlegal wrote:

Candrodaya wrote:

seattlegal wrote:

Once again, for the sake of clarity: I have no argument against removing a neglected or abused child to a safer environment,

...And if the State removes children from their families, does this not also serve to break up extended families?

In reality, many heroin users become distanced from the famiy, either through choice or through the family getting fed up, as people can only take so much.

However, there are clearly cases when a family would be able to adopt the child, or foster it, from the heroin addict family member, on the provisio that they did not permit any heroin to be used around the child.

I am not suggesting that we start taking kids away for all sorts of reasons!

It is hysteria to propose that.

It is like saying that jails should be closed down, because potentially Government could place people in there, for anything.
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