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| Yes, being brough up seeing parents use smack is abusive in itself, and therefore, it is justified |
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| Yes, but the worry would be what to do about other addicts, such as drinkers... |
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| You would not remove the child for the observing the intake of smack, alone. Only if there was abuse. |
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Yahweh
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| Yahweh wrote: | 5th time.
How many addicts have you spent any time with?
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I admit, I don't spend much time hanging out with smack addicts. However, it has touched my family. {Let's just leave it at that.}
We've taken friends who have gotten mixed up with crack into our home to help them get off of the stuff.
Good enough? 
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| Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2023 6:46 am Post subject: |
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I heard a story on the news about a mother who gave her son herion and made him an addict by the age of 8 or 9. It was recent in the U.K i haven't found it online yet.
Crazy, his own mother 
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This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about - This woman was a normal person before she developed a dependance, but now she's the lowest of the low, a child abuser. Heroin rots the mind, it turns otherwise ordinary people into amoral lunatics.
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This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about - This woman was a normal person before she developed a dependance, but now she's the lowest of the low, a child abuser. Heroin rots the mind, it turns otherwise ordinary people into amoral lunatics. |
This should be part of the education. The abuse should be part of the law enforcement. To mix these up is like mixing politics and religion.
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Yahweh
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| Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2023 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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| seattlegal wrote: | | Yahweh wrote: | 5th time.
How many addicts have you spent any time with?
Your avoidance speaks volumes.... |
I admit, I don't spend much time hanging out with smack addicts. |
In other words, at the fifth attempt of asking, you actually don't really know about this subject at all, do you?
Oh.
See the bit when you accused me of repetitive 'chanting'.
How many times have you used the word 'education' as your only real offering, and how many times has it been said, by me, by Josh, etc, that education has not worked, and will not work, esp with EXISTING addicts with children..?
You split my sides. 
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| Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2023 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Yahweh wrote: | | seattlegal wrote: | | Yahweh wrote: | 5th time.
How many addicts have you spent any time with?
Your avoidance speaks volumes.... |
I admit, I don't spend much time hanging out with smack addicts. |
In other words, at the fifth attempt of asking, you actually don't really know about this subject at all, do you?
Oh.
See the bit when you accused me of repetitive 'chanting'.
How many times have you used the word 'education' as your only real offering, and how many times has it been said, by me, by Josh, etc, that education has not worked, and will not work, esp with EXISTING addicts with children..?
You split my sides. |
Hey, like I said, "it's touched my family." I know what it's like.
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Education won't work because people who turn to smack are doing it to escape from life. They don't tend to care much about the effects it has on their health or wellbeing, and they certainly don't care about the effect it has on the people around them. Just like an alcoholic knows about the effects of alcohol, or a smoker knows about the effects of tobacco, they know exactly what happens to junkies, and they don't care.
For whatever reason people get into Horse, they ALL know about the detriment to their health, and they all do it regardless. Nobody lives in a vacuum, and due to the media saturation, everyone knows that horse is very bad for you. You'll frequently hear people who experiment with drugs telling you that "they'd do any drug except heroin", and for good reason.
Honestly, from what I hear of it, it sounds like the most beautiful experience imaginable - like 10,000 orgasms all at the same time. I'd try it without a second thought if it wasn't for the horrific damage it would do to me and my life.
I can only guess at the appeal this experience might have to people who have hit rock bottom in their lives and who have nothing to live for. You can get a little slice of heaven for only 35 dollars.
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| Quote: | | Education won't work because people who turn to smack are doing it to escape from life. They don't tend to care much about the effects it has on their health or wellbeing, and they certainly don't care about the effect it has on the people around them. |
In the case in my family, this person did care about what it was doing to the people around him, and it can tear your soul apart.
| Quote: | | Just like an alcoholic knows about the effects of alcohol, or a smoker knows about the effects of tobacco, they know exactly what happens to junkies, and they don't care. |
Like I mentioned, some do care. These ones are probably easier to help than the ones who have become apathetic, but it still takes a whole lot of support from loved ones to break the cycle. It can be done, but it ain't easy, by any means.
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So here is what we have established so far.
1) Existing heroin addicts CHOOSE to take this drug
2) They care for nothing or no one, except were their next fix is coming from
3) They cannot 'educated', since they do not care (see number 2)
And while I type this sentence, children of these underclass are lying in their own shit, watching their parents jag up, and it is being proposed that this in ITSELF is not abuse'.
Fuck the junkie bastards, what about the rights of the children to have a proper start, or any start in life.
Take their kids away. Give them to families that will care for them. Simple as that.
Also, any junkies on state benefits (which they almost exclusively are, sicne there is NO WAY that they could hold down a job), should have to agree to take contraception in their medications, in order to keep on receiving their benefits.
The time for excuses has gone, and the time for action has arrived.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2023 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Yahweh wrote: | So here is what we have established so far.
1) Existing heroin addicts CHOOSE to take this drug
2) They care for nothing or no one, except were their next fix is coming from
3) They cannot 'educated', since they do not care (see number 2) |
Excuse me? I think you could stand for a little education on the matter, yourself. Let me ask you, Yahweh, has this happened to anyone in your family? I can tell you, that points #2 and #3 are not always true. My family member did care about what the drug was doing, and the rest of the family cared enough to step up and help out.
| Quote: | | And while I type this sentence, children of these underclass are lying in their own shit, watching their parents jag up, and it is being proposed that this in ITSELF is not abuse'. |
Excuse me? Heroin addiction is not limited to this so-called "underclass." In the case of my family member, he did not do it around his child.
| Quote: | | Fuck the junkie bastards, what about the rights of the children to have a proper start, or any start in life. |
Excuse me? In the case of my family member, his child was not being neglected or abused.
| Quote: | | Take their kids away. Give them to families that will care for them. Simple as that. |
Well, in the case of my family, my family made sure that both the addict and his child were taken care of without splitting up the family.
| Quote: | | Also, any junkies on state benefits (which they almost exclusively are, sicne there is NO WAY that they could hold down a job), should have to agree to take contraception in their medications, in order to keep on receiving their benefits. |
Excuse me? This was not the case in my family, either. This person was working, and not on state benefits. {Even though he had been to the hospital for a drug-induced cardiac arrest.}
| Quote: | | The time for excuses has gone, and the time for action has arrived. |
And our family took care of the problem without interference from the State. There was no reason, no excuse, for the State to interfere. If the State had interfered by breaking up the family, I don't know whether the addict would have recovered, or not.
If a child is being neglected or abused, it is a sign of a dysfunctional family, and by all means, the State may intervene. However, if there is no evidence of child neglect or abuse, then that is a sign that the family is functioning properly, and the State should not break up the family, unless help is requested by the family.
Smack addiction alone is not an excuse for the State to break up families. Child abuse/neglect is. I think you might want to educate yourself a little more deeply on the subject in order to dispell your prejudiced views.
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Sorry, when I was talking about smackheads with kids, I was not basing it on you SG.
I know that you are so arrogant as to feel that all revolves around you, I was just rather basing it on the thousands of cases, tens of thousands of cases of children who, tonight, will live in filth, sqaulor and neglect, due to someone ELECTING to buy and take an illegal drug.
But you would rather fight for the rights of smackheads with kids.
Feel free.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2023 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Yahweh wrote: | Sorry, when I was talking about smackheads with kids, I was not basing it on you SG.
I know that you are so arrogant as to feel that all revolves around you, |
It ain't about me. It's about your obvious lack of education on the matter of opiate addiction.
| Quote: | | I was just rather basing it on the thousands of cases, tens of thousands of cases of children who, tonight, will live in filth, sqaulor and neglect, due to someone ELECTING to buy and take an illegal drug. |
Keywords: abuse and neglect of children.
| Quote: | But you would rather fight for the rights of smackheads with kids.
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Oh, really? I would suggest that you educate yourself with some real facts about the full scope of heroin addiction before you make your grandiose sweeping pronouncements.
By all means, actions must be taken to rescue the children who are being neglected and abused. I have not disputed that. Just focus on the neglect and abuse when doing so. If you just cry, "smack addict," without knowing the full scope of exactly what "smack addict" encompasses, you will show yourself to be an uneducated person regarding the matter of opiate addiction. If you wish to neglect the need to fully investigate the matter of opiate addiction, then you have no business in using it as a means by which to remove children from their parents, and abuse the term. It's better to stick to what you know and recognize when separating children from their parents. In your case, it would be neglect and abuse.
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| Yahweh wrote: | Next topic
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Ha! Classic tactic of one whose facts and logic have been proven faulty: change the subject and make shocking statements statements to draw attention away from the faulty facts and logic!  Some things never change.
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