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sir_bonvolio
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NKSagar
with all due respect, you can spout off any theory you want, but there isn't any concrete proof as to who created what, or whether it was all just chance.
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Nksagar
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2023 3:35 pm Post subject: subject |
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| sir_bonvolio wrote: | NKSagar
with all due respect, you can spout off any theory you want, but there isn't any concrete proof as to who created what, or whether it was all just chance. |
Dear sir,
The latest scientist have experimented in space and found that there is an observer,even they experimented on elementary particles and found that there behviour is as if though they are being watched.
Who is the ultimate observer.
Ur are right as still mankind is unable to explore the Power of all power- The unknown;
Well go through books of wisdom
Gita
Upanishad
Rrshi patanjali Yoga sutra
Bible,
secret Doctrine,
Vedas
The above books and many more from various other religions ,Budhist
Muslim ,Sikhism,Jainism you will find same sort of essence .the great master and sages of all religion has done tremendous amount of work and as their children we must take this subject for welfare of all so that we can welcome THE.
with regards
ursnks sincerely
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seattlegal
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| Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2023 7:46 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | The latest scientist have experimented in space and found that there is an observer,even they experimented on elementary particles and found that there behviour is as if though they are being watched.
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See the Young two slit experiments which demonstrate how observation determines whether photons of light will actualize their wave-like properties, or their particle-like properties.
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Nksagar
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2023 7:20 am Post subject: subject |
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| seattlegal wrote: | | Quote: | The latest scientist have experimented in space and found that there is an observer,even they experimented on elementary particles and found that there behviour is as if though they are being watched.
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See the Young two slit experiments which demonstrate how observation determines whether photons of light will actualize their wave-like properties, or their particle-like properties. |
Meditating on the fate of the energies and reaction of energies ,harmonising them can get us the Understanding of God which can also be received from very simple nature reaction.
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ursnks
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Nksagar
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| seattlegal wrote: | | Quote: | The latest scientist have experimented in space and found that there is an observer,even they experimented on elementary particles and found that there behviour is as if though they are being watched.
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See the Young two slit experiments which demonstrate how observation determines whether photons of light will actualize their wave-like properties, or their particle-like properties. |
Dear sea,
For your information we have written a passage from the secret Doctrine in the article Puranic Prophecy
www.talkaboutreligion.com. hindu
www.spirtual-forum.com
www.news-readers.org/alt news hindu |
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aged hippy
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2023 8:26 pm Post subject: Strange and stranger yet.... |
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It gets even stranger:
| Quote: | [the classic two-slit experiment]
That experiment is exceedingly strange in its own right, even without Wheeler's extra kink thrown in. It illustrates a key principle of quantum mechanics: Light has a dual nature. Sometimes light behaves like a compact particle, a photon; sometimes it seems to behave like a wave spread out in space, just like the ripples in a pond. In the experiment, light— a stream of photons— shines through two parallel slits and hits a strip of photographic film behind the slits. The experiment can be run two ways: with photon detectors right beside each slit that allow physicists to observe the photons as they pass, or with detectors removed, which allows the photons to travel unobserved. When physicists use the photon detectors, the result is unsurprising: Every photon is observed to pass through one slit or the other. The photons, in other words, act like particles.
But when the photon detectors are removed, something weird occurs. One would expect to see two distinct clusters of dots on the film, corresponding to where individual photons hit after randomly passing through one slit or the other. Instead, a pattern of alternating light and dark stripes appears. Such a pattern could be produced only if the photons are behaving like waves, with each individual photon spreading out and surging against both slits at once, like a breaker hitting a jetty. Alternating bright stripes in the pattern on the film show where crests from those waves overlap; dark stripes indicate that a crest and a trough have canceled each other.
The outcome of the experiment depends on what the physicists try to measure: If they set up detectors beside the slits, the photons act like ordinary particles, always traversing one route or the other, not both at the same time. In that case the striped pattern doesn't appear on the film. But if the physicists remove the detectors, each photon seems to travel both routes simultaneously like a tiny wave, producing the striped pattern.
Wheeler has come up with a cosmic-scale version of this experiment that has even weirder implications. Where the classic experiment demonstrates that physicists' observations determine the behavior of a photon in the present, Wheeler's version shows that our observations in the present can affect how a photon behaved in the past.
To demonstrate, he sketches a diagram on a scrap of paper. Imagine, he says, a quasar— a very luminous and very remote young galaxy. Now imagine that there are two other large galaxies between Earth and the quasar. The gravity from massive objects like galaxies can bend light, just as conventional glass lenses do. In Wheeler's experiment the two huge galaxies substitute for the pair of slits; the quasar is the light source. Just as in the two-slit experiment, light— photons— from the quasar can follow two different paths, past one galaxy or the other.
Suppose that on Earth, some astronomers decide to observe the quasars. In this case a telescope plays the role of the photon detector in the two-slit experiment. If the astronomers point a telescope in the direction of one of the two intervening galaxies, they will see photons from the quasar that were deflected by that galaxy; they would get the same result by looking at the other galaxy. But the astronomers could also mimic the second part of the two-slit experiment. By carefully arranging mirrors, they could make photons arriving from the routes around both galaxies strike a piece of photographic film simultaneously. Alternating light and dark bands would appear on the film, identical to the pattern found when photons passed through the two slits.
Here's the odd part. The quasar could be very distant from Earth, with light so faint that its photons hit the piece of film only one at a time. But the results of the experiment wouldn't change. The striped pattern would still show up, meaning that a lone photon not observed by the telescope traveled both paths toward Earth, even if those paths were separated by many light-years. And that's not all.
By the time the astronomers decide which measurement to make— whether to pin down the photon to one definite route or to have it follow both paths simultaneously— the photon could have already journeyed for billions of years, long before life appeared on Earth. The measurements made now, says Wheeler, determine the photon's past. In one case the astronomers create a past in which a photon took both possible routes from the quasar to Earth. Alternatively, they retroactively force the photon onto one straight trail toward their detector, even though the photon began its jaunt long before any detectors existed. |
From: https://www.missouri.edu/~quinnl/love/friends/universe.html
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seattlegal
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| Quote: | | Wheeler has come up with a cosmic-scale version of this experiment that has even weirder implications. Where the classic experiment demonstrates that physicists' observations determine the behavior of a photon in the present, Wheeler's version shows that our observations in the present can affect how a photon behaved in the past. |
This has interesting implications regarding the spikes of non-randomness occurring before major events in the Princeton EGG Project. (Global Consciousness Project)
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| Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2023 7:49 pm Post subject: Re: subject |
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| Nksagar wrote: | | The latest scientist have experimented in space and found that there is an observer ... |
If I'm reading you right, no they haven't!
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:15 am Post subject: Wheeler? |
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| aged hippy wrote: | | Wheeler |
Are you talking about John Archibald Wheeler?
Your link doesn't work.
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aged hippy
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 4:39 pm Post subject: Re: Wheeler? |
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| Kyuuketsuki wrote: | | aged hippy wrote: | | Wheeler |
Are you talking about John Archibald Wheeler?
Your link doesn't work.
Kyu |
It did when i posted it.
The article seems to have been removed, and - in case you haven't noticed - i always give references and the provenance of quotes.
Edited to add:
Incidentally, yes, it's the same John Wheeler who worked with Albert Einstein, Nils Bohr, and many other physicists. He also helped to develop the atomic bomb, i'm not sure if that's a recommendation or not, but it does tend to show his qualifications.
Edited again to add:
You can find all of my previous quote - and more - here .... including this:
| Quote: | | It would be tempting to dismiss Wheeler's thought experiment as a curious idea, except for one thing: It has been demonstrated in a laboratory. In 1984 physicists at the University of Maryland set up a tabletop version of the delayed-choice scenario. Using a light source and an arrangement of mirrors to provide a number of possible photon routes, the physicists were able to show that the paths the photons took were not fixed until the physicists made their measurements, even though those measurements were made after the photons had already left the light source and begun their circuit through the course of mirrors. |
Emphasis mine.
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