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Rat_bytes · Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2024 6:15 am Post subject:

Heh - I think Sagar, in his own special way, just pulled some righteous ownage on Marky's already sore buttocks!

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Nksagar · Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2024 3:56 pm Post subject:

krsna dasa · Can anybody hear me? Joined: 14 Nov 2023 Posts: 114

Actually i think in his own way markandeya is perfectly correct. Spiritual life is not about high minded ideals and a rejection of everyday facts. Often people think that spiritual life is turning away from the realities of the material suffering. Actually the point is embrace and understand and get a true feeling of material nature, by this process one develops detachment, then by detachment true feelings of renunciation of the material existence arises. Markandeya should have elaborated more on the Sanskrit meanings. Tapa is austerity, without austerity there is no chance of spiritual realization, and just to meditate on nice inspiring verse asa mentall ex cerise is not going to bring one any true realisation. It will only in my opinion give a sense of imagination to what is the feeling of true consciousness. Sadhana means a developed and practiced path of attainment, and sadhya means the object and goal. Sadhana and sadhya have to operate together otherwise it again falls into the mind game of thinking and imagining we are spiritual. Its the same as in my profession when i council people, first of all the best thing to do is to make people more pragmatic. Often people who are manic depressed have 2 extreme mood patterns. Firstly the are feeling very low and most lowly, and then in a flash almost they can feel like there extremely special and have high minded thoughts, each is as dangerous as the other.

I too will fully agree that nice spiritual petry is not a complete way of saying thats its practice, and Nksagar use of simple high minded quotes and sayings is just an imagined or hoped reality that may exist once we become liberated.
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Streamenter · Is anybody out there? Joined: 09 Jan 2024 Posts: 15

Very interesting krsna dasa. I am a practicing Buddhist. I follow the goenka tradition of meditation. Before doing a retreat i read so much about spiritual life, peoms by sri aurobindo were my favourite. In normal daily life i would recite nice passages and they made me feel elated. But i was confused about what religion i wanted to practice, i thought that each religion has there own angle and approach and to mix them may cause confusion. So i heard about vipassana. So i thought i will do a retreat and experience all these things in the solace of silence that the 10 day retreats offer. MAN! did i have a suprise, it was like a living hell, i saw all the unclean things in my heart. I didn't feel good at all for the first 5 days, i was suffering intensely, i was thinking all the time where is the bliss where is bliss, why are not all these beautiful verses that i had learnt becoming an actuality in my mind. But after 5 days when i started to accept that i am an unenlightened person, and to look at the reality of the presence of the hindrances in my mind i learn't to relax and accept myself for what i was. I began to let go of high minded ideals as a practice for spiritual life. And i agree fully with markandeya that just quoting nice poetic verses of the sages does not mean that we automaticaly become spiritual.

BTW, i know and have met many hare krishnas, and for better or worse i admire that they practice what the preach. They rise early, do spiritual chanting, refrain from intoxicants and meat eating and live very seriously by there methods, i admire that. I don't always agree with all the philosophy, but i would put that down to me not fully understanding it. On this site i think that your posts and aged hippys are the most spiritual, i would say markandeya when he puts his mind to it, but unfortunatley he likes to play up the mess of a person rat b. Maybe rats should try a goenka course to see what's going on in his mind.

Rat_bytes · Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2024 9:03 am Post subject:

Streamenter · Is anybody out there? Joined: 09 Jan 2024 Posts: 15

I am not going to agree with or condone taking drugs.

But what i would say is that there is definately a spiritual vibration, and we have to ease into it slowly and methodicaly. Thats why i agree with the hare krsna that we should do it methodicaly. I feel that taking lsd or mushrooms isn't a spirtual experince it's an illusion of the qualities of the cerebral, it sometimes speeds up and personfies our perceptions. I think everday we have many thoughts, sometimes alot irrational thoughts, day dreams and are unaware of the impressions that the external world has on us. I think lsd expecially from experience just speeds these up and gives us a hightened perception, i don't think it has anything to do with the true nature of mind or any real spirtual experience. But it does give an indication of gradualy easing ourself into the ultimate realm, where we constantly feel liberated and nver return to a state of illusion, we never come down, not like drugs it's a quick way up and a quick way down, sometimes with a THUD Crying or Very sad

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Nksagar · Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2024 12:39 pm Post subject: subject

May we return to topic as what happens to our bodies after we die.
which body dies its material body dies and spirtual is everlasting it has to be left over otherwise the cycle of revoultion and rotation will also end in its own way.As we are part of bigger revolution and rotation is solar system of which atomic system also rotates in simpler form in evry atom we cannot set aisde that our simpler part is not rotating in its life.
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